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War between Denmark and Canada?!?

It hasn't quite hit the headlines yet, but I've heard that a dispute between Canada and Denmark over a tiny "island" (actually an outcrop of rock barely 100 metres wide) is starting to heat up. Seems both countries keep landing troops on Hans island to plant (and I suppose replant) their respective flags.

If Canada and Denmark go to war over this, will the world even notice??
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

where is the island?
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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If Canada and Denmark go to war over this, will the world even notice??
Maybe they'll set up a football match over it. Winner takes the rock.
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

it would be academically interesting if there was a war, seeing as they're both NATO allies.
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where is the island?
unsurprisingly, a wealth of info abounds at wikipedia. more than you could ever want to know about hans island:
Map of Greenland; Hans Island is in Sector 5 in the Kennedy Channel
a picture of hans island:

a comparison between hans island and surrounding icebergs:

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Hans Island
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Hans Island (Greenlandic/Inuktitut: Tartupaluk, Danish: Hans Ø, French: Île Hans) is a small uninhabited barren knoll measuring 1.3 km² (0.5 mi²), located at approximately 80° 49′ 41″ N 66° 38′ 46″ W in the centre of the Kennedy Channel of Nares Strait—the strait that separates Ellesmere Island from Northern Greenland and connects Baffin Bay with the Lincoln Sea. Hans Island is the smallest of three islands located in Kennedy Channel; the others are Franklin Island and Crozier Island.

The island is claimed by both Canada and Denmark. The dispute may turn into a test case on sovereignty claims along the Northwest Passage, a region that could become more important if climate change opens it up to more shipping.

The name

Satellite image of Hans Island (centre) surrounded by ice. Note that many of the icebergs are far larger than the island itself.

The island is supposedly named after Hans Hendrik (sometimes called Heindrich), whose native name is Suersaq. Hendrik was a Greenlandic arctic traveller and translator who worked on the American and British arctic expeditions of Elisha Kent Kane, Charles Francis Hall, Isaac Israel Hayes and George Strong Nares, from 1853-1876.

The island was probably named somewhere between 1871 and 1873 during Charles Francis Hall's third North Pole expedition. The first written reference to the name, and indeed to the island at all, appears in Charles Henry Davis's book Narrative of the North Polar expedition (1876), which is a narrative of Hall's third North Pole expedition. On page 407 it suddenly appears, without any previous introduction, under the date August 13, 1872, "about noon, she was quite near Hans Island and west of it." (talking about the ship Polaris). A map accompanying the book is where the island made its first cartographic appearance.

The names of many places in this region have changed or altered during the last 100 years. For example, the name of Nares Strait (named after George Strong Nares), separating Ellesmere Island and Northern Greenland, was not agreed between the Danish and Canadian governments until 1964.

Short history

Up to the early 19th century, the northern area of Greenland and Canada remained completely unexplored by Europeans, and thus there exists no information about this island before that time. Inuit living in Northern Greenland or Canada had likely crossed this area for centuries.

From 1850–1880, the area in which Hans Island is situated was explored by American and British expeditions. These expeditions were a response partly due to the popular search for the missing British explorer John Franklin, and partly to search for the elusive Northwest Passage and/or reach the North Pole.

The Danish "Celebration Expedition" of 1920–1923 accurately mapped the whole region of the Northern Greenland coast from Cape York (Kap York) to Denmark Sound (Danmark fjord).

In 1933, the Permanent Court of International Justice declares the legal status of Greenland in favour of Denmark. The status of Hans Island is not addressed. However, decades later, Denmark will claim that geological evidence points to Hans Island being part of Greenland, and therefore that it belongs to Denmark by extension of the Court's ruling.

In 1972, a team consisting of personnel from Canadian Hydrographic Service and Danish personnel, working in Nares Strait determined the geographic coordinates for Hans Island. During negotiations between Canada and Denmark on Northern maritime boundaries in 1973, Canada claims that Hans Island is part of their territory. No agreement is reached between the two governments on the issue.

Since the 1960s, numerous surveys have been undertaken in the Nares Strait region, including seismic, ice flow, mapping, archeological and economic surveys. Canadian-based Dome Petroleum Ltd. made surveys on and around Hans Island in 1980–1983, to investigate the movement of ice masses.
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Recent events
August 1983 The Captain and Executive Officer of a Danish ship on a mission to land at Hans Island are flown on an ice survey from Thule to Hans Island in a Canadian C-130 Hercules. The ice was too thick and the Captain vows to return the next summer to land at Hans Island.
1984 - Tom Høyem, Danish Minister for Greenland, chartered a helicopter to the Island.
1988 - The Danish Arctic/Ocean patrol cutter HDMS Tulugaq arrived at the island, builds a cairn and placed a flagpole and Danish flag on the island.
1995 - The Danish liaison officer and crew working at Thule Air Base flew in and placed another flagpole and flag.
Late August 1997 - The Danish Arctic/Ocean patrol cutter HDMS Agpa tried to reach the island, but was forced to turn around 150 miles from the Island, due to extreme ice.
2001 - Keith Dewing and Chris Harrison, geologists with the Geological Survey of Canada who were mapping northern Ellesmere Island, flew by helicopter to the island.
August 13, 2002 - The Danish inspection ship HDMS Vædderen arrived and erected a new cairn, flagpole and flag, finding the 1988 flag missing and the 1995 flag in pieces, likely due to weather.
August 1, 2003 - The crew of the Danish frigate HDMS Triton landed on the island and replaced the Danish flag again.
July 13, 2005 - Canadian soldiers land on the Island, placing a traditional Inuit stone marker (Inukshuk) with a plaque and a Canadian flag.
July 20, 2005 - As a symbolic move, Canadian Defence Minister Bill Graham set foot on the island.[1]
July 25, 2005 - A Danish government official announced that Denmark would issue a Letter of Protest to Canada.
July 26, 2005 - Deputy premier of Greenland, Josef Motzfeldt, stated that the island had been occupied by Canada, stating that experts should determine which country the island belongs to. [2], [3]
July 28, 2005 - The Danish Ambassador to Canada publishes an article in the newspaper Ottawa Citizen regarding the Danish view on the Hans Island issue. [4]
August 4, 2005 - The Danish Arctic/Ocean patrol cutter HDMS Tulugaq has been sent from Naval Station Grønnedal to Hans Island to assert Danish sovereignty. The cutter is expected to arrive in three weeks time. [5]
August 8, 2005 - Danish newspapers report that Canada wishes to open negotiations regarding the future of Hans Island. The news was welcomed by Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen who stated that It is time to stop the flag war. It has no place in a modern, international world. Countries like Denmark and Canada must be able to find a peaceful solution in a case such as this. [6]
August 16, 2005 - According to Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Møller, Denmark and Canada have agreed to re-open negotiations regarding the future of Hans Island. Denmark will immmediately begin geological surveys in the area, and Per Stig Møller will meet his Canadian counterpart Pierre Pettigrew in New York in the middle of September. Should they fail to reach an agreement, both governments have agreed to submit the dispute to the International Court of Justice in the Hague. The government of Greenland had agreed to this course of action. Regarding the Danish patrol cutter HDMS Tulugaq currently on route to Hans Island, the minister stated "I have instructed the ship to sail there, but they will not go ashore tearing down (the Canadian) flag and replacing it with a new one. It would be a somewhat childish (behaviour) between two NATO allies." [7]

In dispute

The ownership of the island is disputed as it is claimed by both Canada and Denmark. They failed to settle the issue when borders were drawn between Canada and Greenland in 1973. The border is established in the delimitation treaty about the Continental Shelf between Greenland and Canada, ratified by the United Nations on December 17, 1973, and in force since March 13, 1974. At that time, it was the longest shelf boundary treaty ever negotiated and may have been the first ever continental shelf boundary developed by a computer program.

The Government of the Kingdom of Denmark and the Government of Canada, Having decided to establish in the area between Greenland and the Canadian Arctic Islands a dividing line beyond which neither Party exercising its rights under the Convention on the Continental Shelf of April/29/1958 will extend its sovereign rights for the purpose of exploration and exploitation of the natural resources of the continental shelf...

The treaty list 127 points (latitude and longitude) from Davis Strait to the end of Robeson Channel, where Nares Strait runs into Lincoln Sea, to draw geodesic lines between, to form the border. The treaty does not, however, draw a line from point 122 (80° 49' 2 - 66° 29' 0) to point 123 (80° 49' 8 - 66° 26' 3), a distance of 875 metres. Hans Island is situated in the centre of this area.

Significance

The dispute over Hans Island may turn into a test case on sovereignty claims along the entire Northwest Passage and Arctic Sea. While Hans Island has little to no actual value, as a landmass, the waters associated with the island may have value to both countries. Because of its location in the centre of Kennedy Channel, it could play a key role in determining control of the passage through Nares Strait.

The Canadian Navy has occasionally used the dispute over Hans Island as an argument for investment in all-weather, ice-strengthened war ships, which Canada lacks. Denmark, on the other hand, has a long tradition of operating ice-strengthened patrol frigates in the Arctic.

More important is that a decision over Hans Island might create legal precedent for Canada, which also has marine sovereignty conflicts in the Arctic with the U.S. and Russia.

Introduction to the dispute in the news

In 1984 Kenn Harper, a historian from Iqaluit, Nunavut, wrote an article about Hans Island, which was published in the local newspaper Hainang1, in Qaanaaq (Thule) in north-western Greenland. This article was picked up by a Danish newspaper in Copenhagen, and by CBC Radio in Canada, which gave Hans Island its first fleeting publicity.

This article was sparked because of a chance encounter on the ice near Resolute, Nunavut, in the Canadian Arctic in the fall of 1983. According to Kenn Harper he met a man wearing a hat with bold letters around the side of the hat, saying "HANS ISLAND, N.W.T.". This man was a scientist with Dome Petroleum who had just spent the summer on the island doing ice research. Dome Petroleum did research on and around the island in the years 1980 to 1983.

Oil companies build artificial islands in the sea on which to position their drilling rigs. Hans Island was apparently the perfect setting to test such artificial islands strength to withstand the force of being hit by large floes of multi-year ice.

Simultaneously the Danish and Canadian governments were in the process of signing a cooperation agreement in relation to the Marine Environment in Nares Strait. The agreement was signed and put into force on August 26, 1983. (The treaty was extended even further in 1991.)

The Agreement aims at developing further bilateral cooperation in respect of the protection of the marine environment of the waters lying between Canada and Greenland and of its living resourses, particularly with respect to preparedness measures as a contingency against pollution incidents resulting from offshore hydrocarbon exploration or exploitation (Annex A) and from shipping activities (Annex B) that may affect the marine environment of these waters.

One of the items also discussed was the possibility of establishing a reciprocal arrangement for processing applications to conduct research on and around Hans Island. This was never signed, however Canadian John Munro, at that time minister for Northern Affairs and Development and Danish Tom Høyem, at that time Minister for Greenland, agreed, in common interest, to avoiding acts that might prejudice future negotiations.

However unknown to the politicians Dome Petroleum was already doing research on the island. According to Kenn Harper, the Canadian Department of External Affairs conducting these negotiations with the Danes might not even have been aware that Dome Petroleum was already doing research on the Island. Kenn Harper claims that in 1984, a senior official of Energy Mines and Resources, Canada, wrote him saying: "To my knowledge the Department of Energy, Mines & Resources did not confer with the Department of External Affairs over the use of the island by Dome Petroleum."

When Kenn Harper’s article of 1984, mentioning Dome Petroleum and Hans Island, found its way to the Danish newspapers, it is not difficult to see why Tom Høyem in 1984 chartered a helicopter from Greenland and went to Hans Island. It might indeed have been something so simple as a misunderstanding and breach in communications.

It is said that Tom Høyem planted the Danish flag on the Island and left a little message saying "Velkommen til den danske ø" (English: welcome to the Danish Island). It is also said he left a bottle of cognac.

The dispute hits the news

After the dispute had received little attention for nearly 31 years, it suddenly came to popular attention through Canadian press stories during late March 2004. Within days, it spread to other newspapers worldwide. Shortly after Internet newsgroups, weblogs and forums began to start new threads and entries on the subject. Subjects like "Canada being invaded" and "Denmark massing troops on Canadian territory" could frequently be found.

The issue came to light on March 25, 2004, when Adrian Humphreys of the Canadian National Post newspaper wrote an article entitled, "Five-year plan to 'put footprints in the snow' and assert northern sovereignty". Humphreys made a brief mention of the dispute over Hans Island, and that the Danes had sent warships to the island.

While Canada wanted to assert sovereignty of its northern territories for a variety of reasons unrelated to this dispute, Hans Island soon became the focus of the debate, and was presented as the main reason for this new Canadian policy.

The Arctic sea region has long been a subject of dispute. In this matter, Canada, Denmark, Russia and Norway all share a common interest because they regard parts of the Arctic seas as "national waters". The United States and most European Union countries, on the other hand, officially regard the region as international waters.

Hans Island, 3 May 2004, by Kelly Falkner, Canadian Archipelago Throughflow Study.

Further items in the Canadian media led to the issue being picked up by international news organizations.

The Canadian federal government's 2004 budget was introduced on March 23, 2004, two days before the issue gained widespread attention. It proposed minimal increases to spending on national defence. The issue of Hans Island was raised in the Canadian Parliament by opposition foreign affairs critic Stockwell Day to highlight the government's failure to provide more funding for the military.

A new article by Adrian Humphreys on March 30, 2004, also in the National Post, entitled, Danes summon envoy over Arctic fight — the solution of the dispute is not going to be military, drew even more attention to the issue. The article claimed that Brian Herman, Canada’s only diplomat in Denmark, was called before the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to comment about his country's intentions in the dispute, which had, according to the article, recently been inflamed by Danish sailors occupying Hans Island.

On March 31, 2004, the Danish and Canadian governments denied that Herman or any other Canadian official was summoned to the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Both governments stated that the dispute was a long-standing issue, and that nothing had changed in the matter.

The last time Danish seamen visited the island had been on August 1, 2003, but this information was not brought to the public's attention during the discussion. Comments posted on internet newsgroups and forums suggested that Danish seamen had just landed on the Island, despite the fact that this had occurred seven months before.

A Canadian military exercise, named "Narwhal 04", inflamed the issue further. Some saw this as a response to the Danish flag planting. However this exercise had been in the planning stage since September 2003, and it took place around Pangnirtung, Baffin Island, 2000 km south of Hans Island. The Canadian military denied that the exercise had anything to do with the Danish-Canadian territorial dispute. The exercise took place on August 9 to August 30, 2004, involving about 160 soldiers from the army, various aircraft, helicopters and one frigate, HMCS Montreal. About 600 Canadian Armed Forces personnel were involved in total.

In March, 2005, the Conservative Party of Canada became the first political party in the country to advocate the need for Canada to establish its sovereignty over the Arctic, after party delegates voted almost unanimously in favour of a motion on the topic, following an impassioned speech from a youth delegate that cited the Danish encroachment on Hans Island as "constituted nothing short of an invasion of Canada".

A new development came to light after Canadian Defence Minster Bill Graham visited the island on July 20, 2005. Peter Taksoe-Jensen, the head of the International Law department at Denmark's foreign ministry, said the following in an interview with Reuters on July 25 in response to the event:

We consider Hans Island to be part of Danish territory and will therefore hand over a complaint about the Canadian minister's unannounced visit. [8]

This is the first time a Danish government official has claimed the island is solely Danish territory and is not in dispute. The Danish government has also said that it plans to return to Hans Island in the near future to re-erect its flag. A reaction from the Canadian government is to be expected.

On August 18, 2005, Canadian frigate HMCS Fredericton left Halifax for an Arctic cruise. [9] Canadian officials said the month-long patrol was unrelated to the Hans Island dispute. The Kingston Class vessels HMCS Glace Bay and HMCS Shawinigan are also scheduled to patrol the Arctic this year. [10]

Google fight

"Google fight" or "Google war" is the name given to a number of advertisements on the internet search engine Google which promoted either Danish or Canadian sovereignty over Hans Island.

According to an article in the Ottawa Citizen on July 27, 2005, Toronto resident Rick Broadhead saw an ad on Google stating "Hans Island is Greenland. Greenland natives have used the island for centuries" and which linked to a Danish foreign affairs webpage that stated that Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs had sent a note to Canada's embassador to Denmark on July 25, 2005 expressing Denmark's regret that "the Canadian Minister of National Defence had paid a visit to Hans Island without prior notification of the Danish Government." [11] Poul Erik Dam Kristensen, Denmark's ambassador to Canada, told the press that the paid advertisement was not a Danish government initiative and whoever placed it was acting alone.

According to the article, this prompted Broadhead to put up his own ad on Google which linked to his own site, which promoted the Canadian claim to the island, on July 26.

Neither ad has been reported to have been seen on Google since July 29, 2005.

Satire

The apparent insignificance of the island in relation to the media storm surrounding it has led to the appearance of at least a couple of web sites hoping to make satirical hay of the situation. The so-called Hans Island Liberation Front seeks to free the two lonely inhabitants from either Danish or Canadian domination. Radio Free Hans Island documents an apocryphal radio station said to be broadcasting from the chilly north. This blog 'reported' that Canada was awarding citizenship to the island's rocks. The website Free Hans Island claims to present objective information about the Hans Island dispute, though the validity of this claim can be discussed.

On July 27th, the Swedish radio show Morgonpasset of Sveriges Radio's channel P3 made a series of prank calls to the Danish and Canadian foreign ministries regarding the dispute. The Danish foreign minister was reached by Måns Nilsson, one of the radio show hosts, who announced that Sweden was also making a claim to the island and that a bottle of banana liqueur had been buried on the island and that a statue of famous Swedish TV-personality Lennart Hyland was to be erected over the spot. A call was also made to the Canadian Foreign Ministry, where Nilsson with a fake Danish accent claimed to be "the Danish foreign minister" and a request was made to pass on a message to the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs to cease the conflict and share the island equally with Denmark.
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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Maybe they'll set up a football match over it. Winner takes the rock.
There's supposed to be oil and natural gas there. Whoever controls the island has the drilling rights for the surrounding waters, I guess.

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where is the island?
It's very close to the North Pole.
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Whatever. I hope Denmark kicks ass. Just cuz.

That and Viggo Mortensen was cool as Strider.

And they make better cheese.
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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Maybe they'll set up a football match over it. Winner takes the rock.
how about a danish cookie eating contest instead?

and no the canadians can not hire mercenaries aka that skinny japanese dude.


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It hasn't quite hit the headlines yet, but I've heard that a dispute between Canada and Denmark over a tiny "island" (actually an outcrop of rock barely 100 metres wide) is starting to heat up. Seems both countries keep landing troops on Hans island to plant (and I suppose replant) their respective flags.

If Canada and Denmark go to war over this, will the world even notice??
The news will start to get going if Canada intends to use those warships!

It sounds like there are more interests than just Canada and Denmark in the natural resources of the island.

Canada Sends Out War Ships in Arctic Ocean Dispute

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August 22, 2005

OTTAWA, Aug. 22 (UPI) -- Canada has increased the number of war ships in the Arctic Ocean as territorial disputes emerge with Denmark, Norway, Russia and the United States.

More attention is being focused on the region as global warming is opening previously inaccessible areas to exploration for oil and minerals, Britain's Telegraph reported.

Sunday, Canada dispatched the frigate Fredericton towards the Davis Strait separating Greenland and northeastern Canada in the escalating dispute with Denmark. The two NATO allies have agreed to discuss the dispute at the United Nations next month.

"This is a demonstration of Canada's will to exercise sovereignty over our own back yard," said Commodore Bob Blakely of the Royal Canadian Navy.

Canada and the United States are at odds over control of the Northwest Passage and the resource-rich Beaufort Sea, while Canada and Russia both claim overlapping parts of the Arctic continental shelf.
I think this is more than just a Whatever issue, considering the stakes.
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I think this is more than just a Whatever issue, considering the steaks.

Mmm...the great battle between sirloin, ribeye, filet mignon, flank, and chateubriand for control of the frosty north.


Do the polar bears get a say in this? Them and the seals are the only ones actually living up there.
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Mmm...the great battle between sirloin, ribeye, filet mignon, flank, and chateubriand for control of the frosty north.


Do the polar bears get a say in this? Them and the seals are the only ones actually living up there.
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that thing looks like a piece of turd floating in the vast toilet bowl of the arctic.
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how about a danish cookie eating contest instead?

and no the canadians can not hire mercenaries aka that skinny japanese dude.
That guy has really bulked up, muscle not fat. He was on British TV last night.

Anyway, wouldn't it be a raw herring eating contest?

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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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That guy has really bulked up, muscle not fat. He was on British TV last night.

Anyway, wouldn't it be a raw herring eating contest?
Does the dispute between the two countries really come down to controlling the oil that land probably holds?
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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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Whatever. I hope Denmark kicks ass. Just cuz.

That and Viggo Mortensen was cool as Strider.

And they make better cheese.
don't forget that denmark was the only country to pay back all the money it borrowed from the US for World War I...in 1976. everyone else defaulted on their loans after the great depression.

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Re: War between Denmark and Canada?!?

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